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Pho Bone Broth (and the bowl)

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A gelatin-rich, spiced beef broth. You make it once, and then a bowl takes about five minutes.

Adapted from Cooking with Chris (@coookwithchris). The thread names the spices but gives no amounts. The amounts below are standard pho quantities, and the nutrition notes are mine.

At a glance

Weekly staple
~1½ hHands-on
8–24 hSimmer
~4 qtBroth (8 bowls)
5 minPer bowl, after
–kcal / bowl
–Protein
–Glycine
–Sodium

Per bowl: 2 cups broth, 4 oz flank steak, 1 cup rice noodles and garnishes. Full profile ↓

What makes it work

  • Knuckles and chicken feet for gelatin
  • Blanch the bones, then roast them
  • Char the onion and ginger, toast the spices
  • Keep it at a bare simmer and never boil
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Good to know

  • Great for glycine, but it's not a mineral source
  • Lead from bones is a few µg per bowl, which is fine
  • Pair it with real meat. Broth alone is light on protein.
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Ingredients

Broth (makes ~4 quarts)

Swaps: oxtail or short rib in place of the neck bone gives a meatier broth. For chicken broth, use 3–4 lb backs and necks (or a carcass) plus 1–2 lb feet. For all beef, skip the feet. It still sets.

To season the pot

Per bowl

Steak slices thinner if it goes in the freezer for 20–30 minutes first.

Method

  1. Blanch the bones. Put all the bones in a large pot, cover with cold water, bring to a boil and boil for 15 minutes. Drain and rinse off the scum. This cleans the bones and keeps the broth clear.
  2. Roast the bones. Spread them on a rack over a sheet pan and roast at 450 °F for about 30 minutes, until well browned. Go by color, not the clock. Scoop the marrow out after roasting. Left in, it turns the broth cloudy and metallic. Don't throw it away: spread it on toast or steak, or mash it with butter and herbs.
  3. Char the aromatics. Put the quartered onions and halved ginger on a sheet pan and broil until blackened in spots.
  4. Toast the spices. Meanwhile, toast the cinnamon, star anise, cloves, coriander, fennel and cardamom in a dry pan over medium heat for 2–3 minutes, stirring. Don't let them burn.
  5. Simmer 8–24 hours. Put the bones, aromatics and spices in a stockpot and add cold water to cover by 2 inches. Bring to a bare simmer, with a bubble breaking now and then, and hold it there. Never let it boil. Skim the foam now and then. 24 hours makes the richest broth. An induction burner set to 175 °F holds it below a boil overnight without supervision. If you'd rather not leave a flame on, add the spices for only the last 1–2 hours. They're fine for the whole simmer, but you lose little by adding them late.
  6. Strain. Pour through a nut-milk bag. It is faster and finer than cheesecloth or a coffee filter, and it's reusable.
  7. Season. Stir in the fish sauce, then salt (and a pinch of sugar if you like) until it tastes a little too salty on its own. The noodles and meat will dilute it.
  8. Build the bowl. Add noodles, then raw steak slices, to the bowl. Ladle the boiling broth over the steak and it cooks in seconds. For shrimp, boil them separately for 2 minutes first. Top with onion, sprouts, herbs, chili and lime.
Storage (not in the thread): cool the pot quickly, for example in a sink of ice water, then refrigerate. The fat sets into a cap that seals the broth. It keeps about 5 days in the fridge and months in the freezer. Freeze it in 2-cup jars and each jar is one bowl. A good batch sets like Jell-O when cold, which shows you got the gelatin out.

Nutrition per bowl

Calculated from the same USDA data as Build a Day and the Food Database. Change the bowl here:

Protein
Amount
Noodles

% of the daily target for men (the same targets as Build a Day). ~ = mostly estimated. The broth uses the site's bone broth entry, which takes its protein from commercial bone broths and assumes glycine is 22% of protein, the ratio in gelatin. A batch made with feet and knuckles that sets firmly will probably come out higher. Carbohydrate is what's left of the calories after protein and fat. Herbs, chili and lime are included but add almost nothing.

Nutrition notes

The thread's health claims, checked.

Claim in the threadWhat the evidence showsHolds?
Broth plus lean meat "balances the glycine to methionine ratio"Correct, and the numbers are large. See below.Yes
Gelatinous bone broth is "one of the healthiest things" you can makeIt's a real source of glycine, but the amount varies widely from batch to batch.[1]Mostly
Marrow and rib bones are there "for minerals"Broth has less than 5% of the daily calcium or magnesium per serving.[2]No

Glycine balances the methionine in meat

Muscle meat is rich in methionine and comparatively poor in glycine. The body uses glycine to clear the extra methyl groups methionine supplies (via glycine N-methyltransferase), which keeps homocysteine down. The full mechanism is on the Methionine and Glycine / Collagen pages. Collagen is about one-third glycine and has almost no methionine, so broth is close to the ideal complement. USDA amino-acid data for this bowl:

GlycineMethionineRatio
8 oz flank steak alone3.9 g1.6 g2.3 : 1
+ 2 cups broth (~20 g protein as gelatin)+4.5 g+0.1 g
The bowl (8 oz steak + broth + noodles)8.4 g1.9 g4.5 : 1
The bowl with 4 oz steak6.5 g1.0 g6 : 1

The broth doubles the glycine-to-methionine ratio of a steak dinner. The biochemistry is solid; whether a better ratio improves long-term outcomes in people is less certain, and that question is graded on the Methionine page. (Strong for the arithmetic and the pathway)

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The glycine is real, but it varies

An Australian Institute of Sport group analyzed home-made, café and commercial bone broths for collagen amino acids.[1] Broth made to a standard recipe had significantly less glycine, proline and hydroxyproline than the 20 g collagen doses used in research. Recipes that weren't standardized varied widely. Café broths were richest, and commercial broths were lowest. The authors concluded that broth can't be relied on as a consistent source.

For a home cook that cuts both ways. Your batch is probably better than a carton, and knuckles plus feet plus a 24-hour simmer is about as gelatin-heavy as recipes get. But you can't know the dose without a lab. The practical test is whether the broth sets firm in the fridge. If you want a known glycine dose, a scoop of collagen or gelatin stirred into the bowl provides it. (Moderate — direct measurements, but one lab and a handful of recipes)

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Bones don't make a mineral broth

The thread lists marrow and rib bones "for minerals." A Taiwanese study measured metal extraction from pork, beef and chicken bones under controlled conditions.[2] Home-made and commercial broths contained a few tenths of a milligram of calcium and magnesium per serving, under 5% of the daily requirement. Calcium in bone is locked in hydroxyapatite, which water at a simmer barely dissolves.

Two variables did help in that study. Cooking longer than 8 hours extracted more, which favors this recipe's long simmer. Acid helped far more: dropping the pH from 8.4 to 5.3 raised calcium and magnesium extraction about 17- and 15-fold. A splash of vinegar in the pot is the only lever that matters, and even then the starting amount is small. In this bowl the minerals come from the meat, the fish sauce and the vegetables. Fish sauce supplies more sodium and potassium than the bones supply calcium. (Moderate — one well-controlled lab study)

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What about lead?

Bones store lead, and a 2013 letter reported organic chicken-bone broths with 7–9.5 µg/L of lead, several times the tap water they were made with.[3] In absolute terms that is 3–5 µg in a 2-cup bowl. That's below the 15 µg/L EPA action level for drinking water, and the larger 2017 study found lead and cadmium at "a few µg per serving" and judged the risk minimal.[2] It is worth knowing about if you drink broth by the quart every day. At a bowl or two a day it isn't a reason to stop. (Moderate — small samples, but two labs agree on the magnitude)

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References

  1. Alcock RD, Shaw GC, Burke LM. Bone broth unlikely to provide reliable concentrations of collagen precursors compared with supplemental sources of collagen used in collagen research. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab 2019;29(3):265–272. PMID 29893587
  2. Hsu DJ, Lee CW, Tsai WC, Chien YC. Essential and toxic metals in animal bone broths. Food Nutr Res 2017;61(1):1347478. PMID 28804437
  3. Monro JA, Leon R, Puri BK. The risk of lead contamination in bone broth diets. Med Hypotheses 2013;80(4):389–390. PMID 23375414